Comments on: The Day of Fire http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/the-day-of-fire/ for those who see the need for spiritual revolution instead of religious reformation. Fri, 04 Dec 2009 19:26:01 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: David D. Flowers http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/the-day-of-fire/#comment-935 David D. Flowers Tue, 06 Oct 2009 12:48:51 +0000 http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/?p=229#comment-935 Oh, I see what you're saying. Thanks for the word! Oh, I see what you’re saying. Thanks for the word!

]]> By: Tim Kurek http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/the-day-of-fire/#comment-934 Tim Kurek Tue, 06 Oct 2009 05:22:23 +0000 http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/?p=229#comment-934 Yeah that's what I'm saying... He is not someone to be avoided. I said that in a comment 9 months ago and spoke ignorantly. Peace! Yeah that’s what I’m saying… He is not someone to be avoided. I said that in a comment 9 months ago and spoke ignorantly. Peace!

]]> By: David D. Flowers http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/the-day-of-fire/#comment-932 David D. Flowers Sun, 04 Oct 2009 15:44:15 +0000 http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/?p=229#comment-932 Thanks, Tim. I have read several of McLaren's books and listened to some of his messages. I agree with you. However, I wouldn't say he is "someone to be avoided." We all have blind spots. I believe his blind spots aren't any worse than mine. I recommend him to others as well. Thanks again for stopping by the blog. Thanks, Tim. I have read several of McLaren’s books and listened to some of his messages. I agree with you. However, I wouldn’t say he is “someone to be avoided.”
We all have blind spots. I believe his blind spots aren’t any worse than mine. I recommend him to others as well. Thanks again for stopping by the blog.

]]> By: Tim Kurek http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/the-day-of-fire/#comment-931 Tim Kurek Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:01:03 +0000 http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/?p=229#comment-931 I need to follow up on my comment from all those months ago... I said McLaren was someone to be avoided. In the past several months I've gotten to know Brian. He has been the most gracious and Christlike example of a servant that I've seen in my life. I thank God for him. The issues I took with his ministry were founded upon half truths and assumptions. Brian doesn't speak the language of religion, he speaks the language of people and of love and for that reason he has my respect and admiration. Please don't shut anyone in the body of Christ out, even if there are a few disagreements. Use discernment and seek as much as possible. McLaren is a great author and I highly recommend him to you. Sincerely, Timothy Kurek http://timothykurek.wordpress.com I need to follow up on my comment from all those months ago… I said McLaren was someone to be avoided. In the past several months I’ve gotten to know Brian. He has been the most gracious and Christlike example of a servant that I’ve seen in my life. I thank God for him. The issues I took with his ministry were founded upon half truths and assumptions. Brian doesn’t speak the language of religion, he speaks the language of people and of love and for that reason he has my respect and admiration. Please don’t shut anyone in the body of Christ out, even if there are a few disagreements. Use discernment and seek as much as possible. McLaren is a great author and I highly recommend him to you.

Sincerely,
Timothy Kurek
http://timothykurek.wordpress.com

]]> By: Gpick http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/the-day-of-fire/#comment-604 Gpick Fri, 01 May 2009 02:00:41 +0000 http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/?p=229#comment-604 "I had a dream last year in Iraq, I was in the outer court of the temple yard. I was down on my knees praying to God, and a huge blade lobbed off my head from above. Then I went to the inner court and received a new head. After praying again in the inner court, I received a new body. Then I went into the holy of holies and saw Jesus." Note in the scriptures that most, if not all, of the people who had a dream did not know the meaning. Frequently, they asked for, and received, interpretation. Somehow we got the idea that something figurative that points to spiritual is less "real" than something that specifically occurs in the natural. Sometimes it is both. Israel passed through the Red Sea, was fed manna and drank water from the rock. All significant natural miracles. Yet, are we to say that the spiritual fulfillment in Christ that they were similitudes for are somehow less "real." The answer depends on whether or not you have experienced them personally. Once you have they are very real indeed. Polycarp has a dream three days before his arrest of awakening with his pillow on fire. When he was threatened with being thrown to wild beasts he had no fear. Then, he was burned at the stake. In John, Jesus describing the coming of the Holy Spirit, says "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. Joh 16:13" He does this in many ways, however, it appears to me that His purpose is not to enable us to understand what is to come before it happens, but rather to give us a heads up so that the dream will be interpreted by the event when it happens. Once again, John quotes Jesus regarding this. Joh 14:29 (29) "And now I have told you before it comes to pass, that when it comes to pass, you may believe. The Lord rarely seems to want us to understand the details of what is to come, for then we are leaning on our own understanding. Rather, He desires us to remain in a state of faith so that we learn to trust Him in all situations, in all things, regardless of how things may appear to us. Examples of this in scripture to too numerous to list. As to the dream in Iraq, quoted above, I am quite certain this is of the Lord and is a very great and precious promise. Do a study of the scriptures as to who attains to the first resurrection. It's in Revelation, though Paul referred to it several times as well. And, after reading a bit of David's testimony, it looks like he has already tested some refining fire in one sense. “I had a dream last year in Iraq, I was in the outer court of the temple yard. I was down on my knees praying to God, and a huge blade lobbed off my head from above. Then I went to the inner court and received a new head. After praying again in the inner court, I received a new body. Then I went into the holy of holies and saw Jesus.”

Note in the scriptures that most, if not all, of the people who had a dream did not know the meaning. Frequently, they asked for, and received, interpretation. Somehow we got the idea that something figurative that points to spiritual is less “real” than something that specifically occurs in the natural. Sometimes it is both. Israel passed through the Red Sea, was fed manna and drank water from the rock. All significant natural miracles. Yet, are we to say that the spiritual fulfillment in Christ that they were similitudes for are somehow less “real.” The answer depends on whether or not you have experienced them personally. Once you have they are very real indeed.

Polycarp has a dream three days before his arrest of awakening with his pillow on fire. When he was threatened with being thrown to wild beasts he had no fear. Then, he was burned at the stake. In John, Jesus describing the coming of the Holy Spirit, says “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. Joh 16:13″

He does this in many ways, however, it appears to me that His purpose is not to enable us to understand what is to come before it happens, but rather to give us a heads up so that the dream will be interpreted by the event when it happens. Once again, John quotes Jesus regarding this.

Joh 14:29
(29) “And now I have told you before it comes to pass, that when it comes to pass, you may believe.

The Lord rarely seems to want us to understand the details of what is to come, for then we are leaning on our own understanding. Rather, He desires us to remain in a state of faith so that we learn to trust Him in all situations, in all things, regardless of how things may appear to us. Examples of this in scripture to too numerous to list.

As to the dream in Iraq, quoted above, I am quite certain this is of the Lord and is a very great and precious promise. Do a study of the scriptures as to who attains to the first resurrection. It’s in Revelation, though Paul referred to it several times as well.

And, after reading a bit of David’s testimony, it looks like he has already tested some refining fire in one sense.

]]> By: JesusFreak http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/the-day-of-fire/#comment-347 JesusFreak Fri, 26 Dec 2008 20:42:17 +0000 http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/?p=229#comment-347 Wow...Great post..Great blog...I love all i'm seeing..Will definitely come back again and again I will like if you could check out my blog on http://spiritofjesus.blogspot.com You can also add it to your blogroll. I will add yours to mine now Thanks Wow…Great post..Great blog…I love all i’m seeing..Will definitely come back again and again

I will like if you could check out my blog on http://spiritofjesus.blogspot.com You can also add it to your blogroll. I will add yours to mine now

Thanks

]]> By: David D. Flowers http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/the-day-of-fire/#comment-342 David D. Flowers Fri, 19 Dec 2008 18:34:38 +0000 http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/?p=229#comment-342 Tim, I am familiar with the guys you mentioned. I was wanting to know about Bart Ehrman. What books of his do you have in mind? Tim,
I am familiar with the guys you mentioned. I was wanting to know about Bart Ehrman. What books of his do you have in mind?

]]> By: Tim Kurek http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/the-day-of-fire/#comment-341 Tim Kurek Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:28:46 +0000 http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/?p=229#comment-341 Avoid McLaren, and look to a Brennan Manning or Jim Palmer.. Jim Palmer wrote a book called Divine Nobodies thats great. And Manning is just incredible all around. McLaren comes from the Emergent Village camp and while I have read several of his books, you will find the focus off balance... Not trying to trash him, just saying I think Palmer, Manning, Miller, or Batterson would be more to your liking... I could be wrong! Have a great day! Avoid McLaren, and look to a Brennan Manning or Jim Palmer.. Jim Palmer wrote a book called Divine Nobodies thats great. And Manning is just incredible all around. McLaren comes from the Emergent Village camp and while I have read several of his books, you will find the focus off balance… Not trying to trash him, just saying I think Palmer, Manning, Miller, or Batterson would be more to your liking… I could be wrong!

Have a great day!

]]> By: David D. Flowers http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/the-day-of-fire/#comment-339 David D. Flowers Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:26:40 +0000 http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/?p=229#comment-339 Thank you Frances! I appreciate the word you share. I am encouraged to know the Lord is speaking to the church here in the States. Thank you Frances! I appreciate the word you share. I am encouraged to know the Lord is speaking to the church here in the States.

]]> By: David D. Flowers http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/the-day-of-fire/#comment-338 David D. Flowers Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:25:09 +0000 http://ddflowers.wordpress.com/?p=229#comment-338 I have read some Brian McLaren. I have not read Bart Ehrman. What do you suggest? I have read some Brian McLaren. I have not read Bart Ehrman. What do you suggest?

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